*** Logfile started *** on Mon Mar 26 11:42:01 2007 [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:01] Join You have joined the channel #etech (n=bparsons@server123.pixelmechanix.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:01] Topic The channel topic is "http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/". [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:01] Topic The topic was set by cybaea on 03/25/2007 10:17:27 PM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:02] Mode Channel modes: no messages from outside [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:02] Created This channel was created on 03/25/2007 02:02:03 PM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:23] where is everybody? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:42:41] Join tengi has joined this channel (n=tengi@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:44:01] mediaserf: hiding.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:44:17] is there another chat channel people are using?? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:44:51] Join andy2u has joined this channel (n=andy@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:44:53] Quit tengi has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:45:04] Join tengi has joined this channel (n=tengi@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:47:05] Join danielheaf has joined this channel (n=danielhe@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:51:13] maybe another server [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:52:16] Join AKChris has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:55:41] Some people are at http://www.lingr.com/room/etech2007 but I prefer this interface [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:55:56] me too [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:57:31] Join raelity has joined this channel (n=rael@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:57:40] Captain Kirk [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:58:05] How ! to make your presentation cool [Mon Mar 26 2007] [11:59:55] Crossing the Chasm is hard.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:00:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Chasm [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:05:21] lingr is irritating and decidedly non-innovative [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:06:38] yeah, reminds me of th echat rooms on Photo.Net way back when [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:07:09] They gave up and moved to AIM instead. Couldn't scale. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:08:37] is the real etech on irc or irl? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:09:19] The "real" etech is in the rooms at the Hyatt :-D [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:09:43] in real life [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:10:28] "defusing" innovation [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:10:35] yeah. This is the traditional channel. For old skoolers :-) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:10:44] reilly ++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:12:29] etech without IRC is like [insert X Y comparison here] [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:12:44] knee mouse [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:12:56] has anyone added the irc channel info to the wiki? may be people assuming lingr is the correct place simply because someone added it there [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:13:28] mroth: No. good idea! Please go ahead [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:14:29] etech without IRC is like a mouse without the knee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:14:33] (You have to be here....) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:14:37] looks like someone already did [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:15:10] looked like a dangerous gizmo [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:15:17] etech without IRC is like coding without caffeine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:15:26] wouldn't want to get carpal tibia syndrome [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:15:59] aw, irc wil pick up tomorrow [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:16:03] the marketing would be easy though: "Controlling your computer is as easy as riding a bike!" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:16:09] mediaserf: haha [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:16:26] looks like the transporter control on star trek [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:16:54] just what I need-- two more additions to my keyboard to manage [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:17:01] boy I'm glad he gave up on that an invented function keys [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:17:27] Join bigtank has joined this channel (n=bigtank@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:18:53] Quit bigtank has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:20:41] Somebody said "I find that the harder I work the luckier I get" which seems to be close to what the innovation guy is saying [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:20:50] all this hard work talk is starting to sound like my dad when I was a teenager [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:20:56] (And that you should smoke to innovate Nutrasweet) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:20:56] Join gregbiggers has joined this channel (n=gregbigg@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:21:07] "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:21:24] he's undervaluing laziness [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:21:29] haha [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:01] ya...laziness is the mother of all invention [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:03] Id the title in the official etech green? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:08] take the TV remote control [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:10] there's a whole talk on the value of laziness for spurring innovation! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:14] yucky colour [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:29] color, even. Not my langauage - I am only trying to use it. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:40] invented back when there were only 4 channels because people were too lazy to get up and change the channel [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:22:49] Quit gregbiggers has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:23:01] Caffeine is the mother of innovation [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:26:05] "lazer" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:26:34] weapons [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:26:59] Join gregbiggers has joined this channel (n=gregbigg@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:27:15] roombas? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:27:19] laser pointers [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:27:22] best use ever [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:27:35] well...that and lasik [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:28:13] scott seems to slight Christensen's books as "theory" but most of these criteria are not in control of the innovator, but their management and that's who C's "theories" are for [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:29:23] and ohw Scott's points are of a different sort, they are the personal items within the innovator [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:29:49] AKChris: Yeah, Scott is talking about the innovator, not the poor smuck (aka "manager") who has to figure out what it means and how it gets to market. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:30:00] Clayton is much more for the managers [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:30:20] wow he's like Oprah [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:30:42] but a whole lot of the possibility of innovation comes from the support of those poor schmoes :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:30:52] Hi [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:30:59] I'd join the Scott Berkun book club but I don't see presents under my chair like they have on Oprah [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:31:16] mediaserf++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:31:20] maybe he'll announce free books for all before the break [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:31:27] or free cars. makeovers. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:32:15] I disagree with his point here. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:32:31] creativity is about looking at things in different light [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:33:00] he's saying take a shotgun approach to see what sticks = creativity [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:33:10] fasicsts aren't creative thinkers, sufferers of fascism might be among the best [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:33:22] AKChris - yes! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:33:54] Join cybaea_ has joined this channel (n=chatzill@cybaea.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:34:31] i think the inhabitants of london suffered because of german innovation during ww2 [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:34:57] and Franc [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:34:59] e [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:35:26] a camel is a horse innovated by committee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:35:41] Join ikisai has joined this channel (n=ikisai@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:28] ?google camel horse committee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:30] Search for camel horse committee: 0.141 seconds. Showing first 3 of 489000 sites [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:30] A camel is a horse designed by committee - http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/30/messages/1840.html [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:30] Re: A camel is a horse designed by committee - http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/30/messages/1888.html [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:30] Design by committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:30] Join cybaea__ has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:36:48] Quit cybaea__ has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:01] Is it just coincidence that the "innovation" attendees are on IRC and the yo-yo people are lingr-ing? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:10] Join cybaea__ has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:27] technically we should have invented a new form of chat for our session [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:35] yoyo? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:35] Quit cybaea__ has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:35] and the folks (well, me) in the lobby are on both? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:54] (in entreprenuring, also in both) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:56] uh oh [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:37:57] Join davidcrow has joined this channel (n=davidcro@ppp-71-128-53-170.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:38:08] hi davidcrow [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:38:10] what room? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:38:18] * ikisai is in Exec breifing [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:38:22] heals itself after i smash it with a hammer [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:38:42] waterproof [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:39:06] the perfect cell phone would shock the crap out of people who talk loudly in quiet, public places [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:39:28] and stop working if the owner wore their stupid looking ear-pieces for too long while not actually talking [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:39:28] Quit davidcrow has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:39:29] AKChris++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:39:34] Join cybaea__ has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:40:11] I thought the earpieces were donated to homeless people to make them seem normal [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:40:31] the only difference between someone mumbling to themselves walking the streets and a normal person is a cell phone headset [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:42:13] I know! we can make it out of legos [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:43:25] playdough [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:45:33] there are lots of people who operate under the belief they have genius IQ ... does that count? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:45:59] Join hec has joined this channel (i=cjh@unstable.aset.psu.edu). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:46:30] isn't a person talking about their IQ score a serious warning sign like someing claiming they are a poet and wearing a beret? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:46:47] yes [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:47:41] guy a few rows in front of me has linux running on his ibook [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:47:46] Quit cybaea__ has left this server ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]"). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:47:58] wannabe high iq poets wearing berets-- reminds me of grad school [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:48:53] pointless conversations about deriida [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:48:56] play games at work ? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:48:59] other than Quake? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:49:18] post post modernism [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:49:32] post mortem [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:13] Quit tantek has left this server. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:24] he's trivializing not sucking [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:25] Quit cybaea has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:27] i work at home mostly so yes i play games at work ;) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:32] not sucking is really difficult [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:38] metallica says think of things which should not be [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:50:53] yeah but not sucking is sometimes easier than being great [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:51:26] not sucking is most of the way to being great [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:51:46] almost everything sucks [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:52:09] so, essentially, the secret to innovation is to-- well-- innovate and not not innovate [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:52:27] oh, wow ... I'm a great source of inspiration [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:53:10] athletes with patents [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:53:36] sexist athletes with patents at the DMV [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:53:41] Join cybaea has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:54:15] applied sophistry [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:03] Quit cybaea_ has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:12] Join flippyhead has joined this channel (n=peterbro@dsl081-166-055.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:25] i need coffee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:25] innovation really is a lot like standup comedy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:42] we just created a seinfeld routine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:55:44] hello party people [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:13] where's the party ? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:15] AKChris: yeah, innovation is all about playing games. no hard work involved ;-) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:32] rehi ikisai [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:44] innovation is just taking other peoples inventions and putting them together in a new way [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:50] oh good, then I can take a break from all that work stuff! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:56:56] hey cybaea [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:05] but fun is frequently a clue that you're on a good track [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:06] standing on the shoulders of giants [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:23] reilly++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:30] or lots of small people.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:44] stacks of midgets [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:57:50] I mean little people [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:09] vertically challenged [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:13] not sure how PC this channel is, I was going to say Dwarves [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:14] little stackable people [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:23] never sure when in the US [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:29] like lego blocks [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:36] redundant array of small stackable dwarves [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:39] or Knex even [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:58:43] in the US we call them "little bastards" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [12:59:08] RASSD? Cool acronym [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:00:26] innovators are gamblers [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:00:32] ok , what language would a RASSD use then [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:00:34] youo have to know when to hold 'em [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:00:57] thats why big corps are crap at innovating, they dont like to gamble [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:00:59] smalltalk of course! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:03] well the one i work for is [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:08] AKChris: everybody are gamblers. Not that different from deciding to keep/change your job [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:14] wife, house, ... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:16] lol @ AKChris [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:18] exactly-- innovation needs room and understanding of risk [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:01:27] AKChris++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:06] a lot of people only gamble when they have to, though-- they get stuck, like the safety net of big corp... or, in my area of work, academia [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:20] (nods) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:32] Ruby on RASSD [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:35] i'm stuck in the web of corp, for a long time now, makes me cynical [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:39] Join millet has joined this channel (n=millet@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:02:56] i think RASSD just HAS to use Smalltalk ... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:04] break time [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:08] can get coffee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:09] Which room is applauding? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:13] exec brief [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:17] wrapping up for brea [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:19] k [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:22] some big corps take risk, but usually ones in who's business involves risk -- Investment banks, etc [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:31] haha - the break is the applause? best thing that happened? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:39] or in the face of industry change [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:51] risk & return are inextricably linked [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:52] pretty dry but not something i was overly interested in [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:03:53] Quit ikisai has left this server ("This computer has gone to sleep"). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:04:17] that's why Christensen is useful-- helps a company figure out how to make room for innovation. I don';t want to do that management part myself, but I am glad my administration does [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:04:55] well, one or two of the bosses anyway [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:05:05] sometimes that is all you need [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:05:21] a tension between the two is good [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:05:23] haha - Scott was a MS project manager [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:06:27] anyone know what happened with Kathy Sierra's session? Will she be here later? Hope she is OK... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:06:31] innovation in steering a supertanker might not be desirable [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:06:36] Does Scott know there is supposed to be a caffeine re-fill break? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:07:30] maybe one thing he will cover in How to Be on Time is "No Breaks" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:07:38] is there coffee outside? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:07:47] mmmmmm ... caffeine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:22] Join RodBegbie has joined this channel (n=rod@sputtering.arsecandle.org). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:22] bonnie & clyde [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:22] creative pairs. Coffee and donuts [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:23] siegfried and roy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:28] itchy and scratchy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:35] AKchris++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:09:45] ren & stimpy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:10:06] yak shaving vs. innovation [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:10:46] I thought they were gene splicing in from mexican dogs to get hairless yaks? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:11:45] Chihuahua's make excellent trebuchet ammo [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:12:14] he needs to understand that getting in between a room full of addicts and their fix is perilous [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:12:52] thankfully he has slides to string us along-- every next slide could be the "break" slide [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:13:01] wait for it [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:13:19] BREAK!!! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:13:25] HUA [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:13:28] Quit danielheaf has left this server. 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[Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:28:53] Last year I went to a couple sessions today, but they're the same ones I think this year [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:29:28] AaronF: Tutorials and Tim's big session today [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:29:28] And the sessions in the evening [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:29:45] AaronF: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/52/schedule.html [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:30:07] Join reilly has joined this channel (n=rfh@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:30:16] What's the innovation font? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:30:37] must be one of the new vista ones [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:30:38] innovation is standardization [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:30:51] Ahhh, so it's all in the evening. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:31:02] Could be - let me see, I have the new Office here [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:31:18] <-- on linux [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:31:21] So, is lunch open to everyone today? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:31:33] Or is this limited to people who paid for the tutorials? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:31:57] It is not the default font (Calibri) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:32:11] where's the conference wiki? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:32:14] Lunch for tutorians only, but hide your pass and you should be ok [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:32:44] http://wiki.oreillynet.com/etech2007/ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:33:46] Notice there is a Scavenger hunt. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:33:54] And you can win a Wii [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:34:26] Tw Cen MT? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:34:29] ooh, we want one of those for our office [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:34:39] Join tantek has joined this channel (n=tantek@dsl092-180-242.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:34:52] we'd buy one but you cant find them anywhere and my g/f nixed my bringing my personal one to work [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:35:22] anyone in the exec briefing? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:36:15] Join ikisai has joined this channel (n=ikisai@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). 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[Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:44:28] Ambition as the prime cause of failure [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:44:36] stupid people making stupid decision (even if they thnk they are making good ones) are easier to handle I think [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:46:08] suicide [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:46:14] Quit cybaea has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:46:33] death march is group suicide [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:46:45] suicide is painless [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:47:05] good song :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:48:05] my former boss just added hours to the days and days to the month-- eventually we were doingg percentages of 30 hour days and 40 day months [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:48:41] that's a good approach [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:49:37] it was a good partner wth his approach of just extending the physical timeline on the whiteboard bu keeping the end point the same date [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:50:20] the real answer is to do everything by committee and make sure you have a multi level process, that way avoid all accountability [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:50:33] schedules are, ultimately, just a shared hallucination [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:50:53] ooo like that [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:51:35] ikisai its all about plausible deniability [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:51:36] Join djwonk has joined this channel (n=djwonk@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:52:28] you have to keep a secret schedule when the managers can't handle the information details of tech schedules [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:50] Notice -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:50] Notice -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:51] CTCP Received Version request from freenode-connect. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:51] Join You have joined the channel #etech (n=bparsons@server123.pixelmechanix.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:51] Topic The channel topic is "http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/". [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:51] Topic The topic was set by cybaea on 03/25/2007 10:17:27 PM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:52] Notice -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:54:52] Channel [freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:55:02] Mode Channel modes: no messages from outside [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:55:02] Created This channel was created on 03/25/2007 02:02:03 PM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:55:11] just bad expeiences dealing with them-- nothing inherently bad about them. Like starting MS Project makes me want to jump out the nearest window :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:55:43] i was referring to generally agreed accounting practices [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:55:48] Join cspurgeon has joined this channel (n=cspurgeo@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:56:14] there are no windows in here [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:56:20] test [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:56:41] my business lives on TLA's, nothing exists without it [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:56:49] one i meant [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:57:02] oh, I misread-- I was thinking GAP analysis [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:57:56] which actually involved GAAP but was actually part of the -- shudder-- tqm initiative [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:58:15] oh i agree about that ... GAP analysis is a technique for missing a completion date as early in a project as possible [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:58:40] reilly++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [13:59:11] also a good way of snaking away a significant part of one's budget to hire analysts [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:00:19] Join chrisspurgeon has joined this channel (n=chrisspu@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:00:20] Quit chrisspurgeon has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:00:24] yeah ... and good analysts are so rare that their presence on a project qualifies as a miracle [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:03] Quit cspurgeon has left this server. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:09] i need that picture [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:20] that's alot of cocaine spilling out of that plane [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:29] oh it says "Air Canada not Air Columbia" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:37] Join cspurgeon has joined this channel (n=cspurgeo@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:01:43] might still be snow [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:02:01] that's global warming for ya...Canada having to import snow [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:03:06] Quit cspurgeon has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:03:20] Join cybaea__ has joined this channel (n=chatzill@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:03:21] Nick cybaea__ is now known as cybaea. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:03:50] Join gregbiggers has joined this channel (n=gregbigg@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:04:29] yeah, slow down on your vacation... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:04:43] :-P [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:05:14] Quit cybaea_ has left this server (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:05:56] http://www.amazon.com/Statistical-Methods-Software-Quality-Metrics/dp/185032171X [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:06:08] atten.tv, pretty sure i dont want this, certainly not for anyone at work [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:06:15] every project should be run that way, none ever are [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:08:33] Quit tantek has left this server. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:09:05] how is exec briefing going in general? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:09:22] on the floor AND drunk :-) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:09:55] first new thing i've seen is Atten.tv but they say they got it ready at 9am this morning so that may be why [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:10:40] etoh is an important project tool [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:10:46] Join mcdonald has joined this channel (n=mcdonald@client64-71.sdsc.edu). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:11:02] Atten.tv is Mac only? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:11:15] yea [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:11:30] they rushed it together for today [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:11:41] thats bullocks....thought web 2.x was supposed to be cross-platform standards based blah blah blah [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:11:51] i'm pretty sure i dont want other people to see 'every' page i visit in a browser [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:12:40] if you can't get multi platform done in time you have to pick one [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:12:44] "Voyeuristic groups" -- sounds mildly X-rated [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:12:47] fear of epsilon [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:06] i gues they thought more people who use macs would want this [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:15] I don't want pople seeing every page I visit or every search I make [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:24] I see a pretty even mix of macs and PCs in here [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:32] and the one dude is running linux on his mac [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:33] yepp [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:13:48] natively or in parallels or cant you tell [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:14:12] I'm too far away to see [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:14:38] parallels unfortunately does a terrible job of running *nix OSes, they dont have the compatibliity drivers for them like VMware does [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:14:42] parallels is tres cool [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:14:58] seems like relatively more PCs than previous eechs [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:00] I use VMware on mine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:06] but it runs winxp virtual machine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:16] parallels rocks for me but i haven't played with *nix much, XP for corporate crap [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:27] AKChris: check the plenary sessions tomorrow. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:28] and to get Windows live messenger with webcam [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:38] Maybe roject managers use windws.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:46] s/roject/project/ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:15:57] reject manager? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:16:00] cybaea: yeah, I'll probably have to start feeling all inadequate again tomorrow :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:16:08] most proj mngrs use PCs i'm sure, i've yet to meet one that has a Mac [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:16:27] Project reject managers [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:16:49] Quit AaronF has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:16:54] there should be more of them, then they can can crap projects early, something big corps tend not to do [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:17:16] Now we get to the topic :-) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:58] Join tantek has joined this channel (n=tantek@dsl092-180-242.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:02] Quit tantek has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:04] trying to figure out how atten.tv differs from Slife - except that they are both Mac only [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:03] Join AaronF has joined this channel (n=AaronF@wsip-68-15-8-102.sd.sd.cox.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:26:19] Part mcdonald has left this channel. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:29:33] better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:29:35] I'm so glad I am not the one who has to give a 3 hour class first thing in the morning. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:30:37] ?karma [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:30:37] Karma Dump available at: http://an9.org/~jibot [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:00] audience survey says: X [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:00] no there isn't ... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:12] bad url [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:18] seems so [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:33] jibot-- [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:58] ?learn jibot creates bad urls [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:31:58] I need at least 3 words with an 'is' in the middle [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:32:37] my first real teaching experience: foundation of the english novel, 7-10a MONDAYs [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:32:51] ouch [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:33:02] it was a death march by the end :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:33:37] Join AaronF_ has joined this channel (n=AaronF@ip68-101-200-165.sd.sd.cox.net). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:33:40] you should have done the expration ( == playing games ) at the start [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:33:46] *exploration [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:34:16] People who are late for class only get to do the boring parts..... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:34:30] i had chemistry class monday mornings ... by the end of the term there was a pool for when I would show up [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:34:31] yeah, it took me many years to learn something other than the way I was taught (sage on the stage, lecture lecture lecture) then I guit teaching [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:35:35] Join tengi has joined this channel (n=tengi@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:36:37] what session is everyone doing for the afternoon? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:37:08] Community Marketing [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:38:01] game mechanics in social software [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:38:29] Scott is taking a lot of questions -- is he running out of slides? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:38:47] i think "shiny" is a better word for innovative [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:04] is it shiny? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:06] i want to be a shinervator [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:13] learn to be shiny on time [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:19] exactly [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:22] shinnovation [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:29] sinnovation [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:39:35] now we're talking :) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:40:02] shiny happy people [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:40:52] you have to pick 2 of the 3: shiny, happy, people. What do you choose? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:13] shiny happy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:13] shiny happy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:16] happy people [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:22] people-- [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:25] shinenfreude [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:32] cybea++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:43] oops i misspelled your karma [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:41:49] cybaea++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:42:17] shiny happy [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:42:23] nobody can spell it. (It is a type of boat, btw.) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:42:38] is it a shiny boat? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:42:46] Quit foobie has left this server. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:42:51] happy boat [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:43:26] I want to see lots of note-taking on this channel -- I'm in Boston, ETeching vicariously through IRC this year! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:43:31] Scott crossed the line with no ill effects [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:43:44] big bang [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:07] What is the greatest innovation in history? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:11] Skyrider up on stage [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:13] fire [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:21] humor [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:25] coffee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:28] sex [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:29] pointy sticks [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:47] maybe the interweb [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:50] religion [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:44:58] Scott says Apollo program [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:45:31] perhaps apollo is just one of the best documented innovations... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:45:32] the greatest innovation in history may not have happened yet [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:45:59] by that token, one could never know. wait, arent we post-history by now? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:46:01] wouldn't that make it not history? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:46:16] I hope he would say "Look under your chairs for a free toaster!" [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:46:17] its future history [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:46:34] it is a really ugly font.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:46:56] its wide like a trailer in west virginia [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:09] mediaserf++ [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:13] ugly font, not enough leading, horrible kerning [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:19] Join foobie has joined this channel (n=Clonezon@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:20] is this a font in an Apollo session by any chance ? [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:34] it was designed by an innovative committee [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:49] that would explain how plain it is [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:47:50] or more precisely, by a committee period [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:05] it's lowest common denominator of many ideas/views [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:14] like most bigcorp products [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:25] committee sounds right [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:36] bye [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:39] lunch [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:42] Quit cybaea has left this server ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.11/2007031202]"). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:42] adios [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:48:44] i heard the appluase *** Logfile started *** on Mon Mar 26 14:19:25 2007 [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:25] Join You have joined the channel #etech (n=bparsons@server123.pixelmechanix.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:25] Topic The channel topic is "http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/". [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:25] Topic The topic was set by cybaea on 03/25/2007 07:17:27 PM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:26] and he's really that clueless [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:29] Mode Channel modes: no messages from outside [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:29] Created This channel was created on 03/25/2007 11:02:03 AM. [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:46] cybaea: !! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:19:59] USA lags way behind in broadband penetration I saw recently [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:02] it's tough to be a futurist [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:10] haha - true [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:32] I recon you learn more from your failures... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:42] that's why I'm so smart [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:44] ;-) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:49] ?define levels are shorthand for accululated points [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:51] because I'm a huge failure! [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:20:54] * AaronF sobs [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:05] nothing ventured nothing gained... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:14] * mediaserf thumbs through the program looking for astrology session [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:17] http://www.technorati.com/posts/tag/ETech [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:21] Join User561 has joined this channel (n=User@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:21] acceptance is the first step to recovery AaronF ;) [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:38] * cybaea hugs AaronF [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:21:55] Join sborsch has joined this channel (n=sborsch@host194.diegoman59.hyatthsiagx.com). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:22:01] Quit User561 has left this server (Client Quit). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:22:16] Join McUnixJr has joined this channel (i=McUnixJr@pdpc/supporter/gold/McUnixJr). [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:22:28] lowering one's standards really helps with that whole success thing [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:22:44] hehe [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:22:54] Now we are talking about The Cluetrain Manifesto [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:23:02] Really on the bleeding edge here.... [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:23:15] cybaea is in the time machine [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:23:26] aw c'mon, she knows she has a diverse audience, i think it's a good book to name drop [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:23:53] the avg level this year is pretty high so far [Mon Mar 26 2007] [14:24:10]